Well that's the motto of Webratio. I have been sleeping late lately struggling to make things work in Webratio. The idea is good, rapid prototyping, but the learning curve making it not rapid at all.. And come to think of it, why does one need to rapid prototype a web application? At the moment, i feel quite constrained in terms of site data modelling as well as site presentation layout. Some simple things become ucessarily more complicated… You Think You Get, but You Don't, that's our group's motto now.